A fresh look at what the new covenant “Lord’s Supper” could be when we leave the altars and celebrate the resurrection with the family. Please read the most awesome understanding of communion we have read in 50 years. Restoring the first works Rev 2:5
” Come to the Table” Revisioning the Lord’s Supper
“Down in the River to Pray” Revisioning baptism as God’s transforming work
“Baptism is more important than you think. But not for the reasons you suppose” by John Mark Hicks & Greg Taylor
Join in a reading of these works, prayerfully measure them against God’s truth. If you are short of funds to buy a book or kindle e book we will buy your book for our study together. We meet on Zoom and will share with anyone our Love for one another, our Joy in knowing Jesus and the Peace of God in the Chaos of the world until the Day of the Lord when we walk with Him on the beautiful shore, soon by the look of things! Who in the universe has the power to disrupt every nation, every religion today?
Pray to Him as a Father, as a child cries to Daddy, our Abba, “Everlasting Father” who adopted us in our filthy rags, called us to His Gospel, washed us in the Blood of His Lamb, and clothed us with his Rightness. 1 John 3:23, Acts 5:32 “Wonderful Counselor” Repent and do the first works of Love Joy Peace. Come to the Table, leave dead altars behind.
We looked for the evidence in history for the Resurrection, That event in human history like Paul said makes the “Gospel, 1 Corinthians 15:1-4, the power of God for salvation, Rom 1:16-17” with out this Paul said the rest is “Skybalon” .
Quote of the Day: “If our faith be ever so imperfect, and blended with error, yet if it leads us to do the will of God, and bear fruits of the Spirit; if it works by love; if it purifies the heart; if it overcomes the world — it is the faith of a Christian” (Barton Stone, Christian Messenger 2 [Nov 1827], 5.
Paul Pavao author, of “Decoding Nicaea” by permission
This Gospel that Jesus rose from the Dead was taught as a simple transformation of the individual, a understanding of belief is necessary for knowing Jesus, Some only know he can heal them, or make them clean, but have not a clue how that is done for the Spirit gives that birth and guides the follower to know this man who loves Him who says He is the God who loves him more than he can ever know as some may claim someday when this prayer is answered by the “Congregation” and the sheep of the flock. Ephesians 1, “In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation -having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise,” What is the “Mystery” now proven by facts of history outside and inside of God’s Word, up until 1950 we did not have the volume of evidence that demands a verdict, After the “Dead Sea” verified the inspiration of the Word and more extant copies of God, word appeared, many scholars on all sides of the many tribal fences started looking for clues at the scene of the crime. We found the discovery that every follower of God that believed in the resurrection finds enough proof in the hearing of the evidence and Truth of the Gospel to make a decision in every era of history. When humans hear the Gospel message that God’s greatest Gift of Salvation was crucified in a full court execution performed by professional soldiers in the world’s most powerful empire.”
Paul writes, teaches, shepherds; Excellent and scholarly reseach on Christian History https://www.christian-history.org/baptism.html
Events in history can be keyed to events in Revelation, Right or wrong, believe it or not! these teachings were the standard of belief in American bible Colleges in the 1890shttp://www.moellerhaus.com/Johnson/0Start.htm
The “Speaking in tongues” came and went thru the congregations divisive as always dividing when we should be one. As Paul told the former Gentile Pagans in Corinth; Share, Care for one another, use the mature gifts, quit playing with the toys to impress people! We wind up confusing the fans and the followers with divisions over stuff that won’t matter when the goats are removed, as in Matt 25 the reasons are not; we have great traditions of the church in doctrine or we believe in OSAS or not or say a prayer cheap grace, or we have a big building. We can do all those things and not love, or forgive, or reconcile with a broken heart for God? How can we repair those hearts we have broken and restore the unity of our independent groups before they are swallowed up by divided denominations, state”churches”, cults or culture today. What if we were free of the divisions over hair, food, days, dress, , women, Greek culture issues? All non essential for salvation issues being made a salvation issue, old covenants misunderstood or worse twisted to an agenda with the new covenant ignored?
This is what was taught in 1890s in bible colleges across America, almost no one believed in the “Hal Lindsey ” Darby Rapture stuff until Hollywierd bought into it. This greek professor ties almost every prophecy interpretation to an event in history that can be verified, This 20/20 hindsight is done many times down through the ages. World events are easy to plug into prophecy and still not know when the fire insurance is going to be due, especially when Jesus sez; “Not for you to know the times or the seasons” The teaching of the “rapture” and return of the temple is very divisive in the followers. We need to pour love and pray over any word from God. 1 John 3:23 Acts 5:32 .
WISDOM FROM OSWALD CHAMBERS
We all have the trick of saying—If only I were not where I am!—If only I had not got the kind of people I have to live with! If our faith or our religion does not help us in the conditions we are in, we have either a further struggle to go through, or we had better abandon that faith and religion.
Book Author’s Blog; https://wineskins.org/author/johnmarkhicks/
from The Shadow of an Agony, 1178 L
Books by author; https://wineskins.org/study/books-by-wineskins-authors/
We are small in size, no eloquence of men, or trappings. We support our ministries we have served with and know personally to the best of our limited ability. We have never served in a paid position after interning as a youth ministers in an all black congregation in Georgia, Those were the days we learned what love is from God’s people. In the next congregation the attitudes were old South in the 1970s and the all white congregation exploded when we immersed a young black man in the building during summer camp VBS. In the Marines we were all green and our blood is all red, In Christ we are One or are we none?, 1 John sez we don’t know who God is if we hate. I was actually carried out of the elders meeting held to discuss a bomb threat the FBI was called. We met with our good neighbors and grew some “house churches” as we wandered in the wilderness until we found some shepherds in Villa Rica that followed the Way as best as we all could see. We planted a congregation that met in a fire house in Heard County on land that had been abandoned. My mentor and his bride were our “Priscilla and Aquila” the most humble educators we have ever known in God’s Kingdom.
We served a homeless street mission in Atlanta during these seasons of the 1970s and saw demon possession & evil redeemed on the streets of Atlanta first hand, the “Big Fish” trained many a minnow from ACC, the rapture did not happen as Hal Lindsey claimed, In the 90s we made a fortune working 80 hrs a week ignoring God as we chased success and sold it all to be with our boys and teach high school. We loved the teaching of youth with the gifts of the Holy Spirit He gave us, as “tentmakers” the work of our hands and minds together in His service, it kept us young, God blessed our service.
Because of God’s Grace and our Family of God; WE are self sufficient today and will pray to remain so. There is no such thing as “Luck” only God and Physics, we are leaves of grass. We also pray every day to be poured out like a drink offering on whatever ground God wills. We have each other and our daily bread, we need nothing more than neighbors to care for and share with. We offer prayers, communion in prayer & fellowship, teaching via Zoom or ?, We meet with our neighbors as we can for meals of “Breaking Bread” in celebration of the resurrection, practicing what we teach. We are available in a limited way to our local region for participation and sharing with your fellowship in any way we can as fellow believers in Jesus as God our creator, Wonderful Counselor, We can serve as teachers, shepherds, foot washers, hand holders, Titus 2:1-10 Our disabilities limit our physical activity, we travel in a self sufficient RV and love camping in State and national parks with the weather as we both have many miles on 70 yr old tents.
If I say “Mcdonald’s is the best hamburger” that can be my belief and opinion. Some may agree, Some can deal with that and share their own opinion in a reasonable manner. Most will agree my choice in most food is not a salvation issue. We may present evidence and try to persuade others to our belief. That is our right and if successful with many followers, they will not prove that my choice is the best burger. Only that many like it. If I say “Micky D’s burgers are the only burgers made in the world.” I and many thousands may believe that but it is a lie we believe for there are many burgers as they are divided denominations. If it is an opinion then it can not be a salvation issue unless the evidence proves the facts. Then the opinion becomes the Truth. There can only be one Truth from One God. This has been argued by smarter people than me. Here is a greek professor we respect and would rely on to be accurate with the Word even if we do not agree with every thing the human does. http://jackcottrell.com/?p=21
Book excerpt on Grief, Laments, Death; https://himpublications.com/blog/jesus-wept/
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We follow this view of Grace, Saved by Grace not by law. https://jackcottrell.com/?p=2676
We have seen many groups come and go in 50 yrs. We have seen powerful egos in men and women fleece and destroy the little flocks because the humble followers, men & women left and the weak, immature fans followed the bright lights and toys the “pastors” actually “hired hands” used to dazzle with as they scratched ears. We have known cults that would make Koresh type individuals into leaders, or even Apostles or even Messiahs. Some of these today are mega-churches in the world. Shut down for now. We don’t want their type leaders! We have seen the deceiver ruin many in the service to the Kingdom when the lust of the eyes and the power goes to the head. We are skeptical of those that would want control of independent groups in an authority role outside of the role of shepherd. Call them bishop or elder, teacher, or pastor they are all shepherds or wolves. If a person qualifies for Apostleship we want to see fruit and bonefides. We have the “Apostles Doctrine” in its many translations. We have prophets to tell us if God has a Word for us. No confusion every word will be Truth, If someone speaks God’s Word it will be the truth, and no turning from the Truth to follow new revelations on the old story. Hal Lindsey missed it. for example. We have evangelists who are forth-telling and proclaiming the Gospel. Making disciples of Jesus is the plan and if we do that as the main thing as we go we will be fine as Romans in Corinth listening to Paul today. Peace!
Free Will, Eternal Security, OSAS, Calvin, Arminius who cares
We are called by the Gospel, I will follow the lead of the disciples in Acts 2 and obey the invitation if I believe the gospel message enough to act on the information. We have studied this argument from both Arminius, and Calvin. We choose to act on our belief and follow the model of the pagan Gentiles in Corinth Acts 18:8, accept the Grace gift and rise to walk in a new life. Why would someone wait for 1500 yrs to create a straw church on Calvins, Zwingli’s, or Luther or Wesley or any man’s opinion? No matter the good intent and the church they fought most with was rooted in evil kings. All they do is fight and kill one another, Calvin roasted & drowned other Christians that disagreed with his rule of the iron hand of state churches. Know the history and make the choice to buy cheap fire insurance in a sinners prayer or infant sprinkles, your soul is yours to save. Grace is free! Here is a good study by a greek scholar we trust. https://jackcottrell.com/?p=2676
“Calvinism and Arminianism debate the problem of the hidden counsel of God. But our access to that hidden counsel is only through God’s historic revelation. We cannot approach God in his hiddenness, but only in his revelation. That revelation is Jesus Christ who is the Elect One. Calvinism and Arminianism both find their election in Christ through faith. There is no theologically significant practical difference between the two.” John Mark Hicks on election
The separation of “Sheep and Goats” or “Tares and wheat” is the judgment of the “fans and the followers” Every flock and field will have some plus wolves in sheep garb and devils in shining light teaching the wisdom of men for doctrine. If we read Matt 13, 24, 25 correctly this process is God’s. The process of discipleship is ours, this takes care and relationship time to develop the mature disciple ready to disciple others & the disciple to shepherd other disciples. Our gifts may be evident only when needed. Our Wonderful Counselor moves with people and uses people to His will and purpose and people are very messy. IMHO
My wife and I served as interns for an all black congregation and our mentor was a bi voc shepherd who taught us that a “Fellowship of Believers” can love like Jesus in the simple gospel that men don’t control. Each congregation was independent and answered to the shepherds they lived with each day. Those saints knew how to teach white folks how to worship. We next served in an all white group that fired us for teaching that God loves everyone. That was 1975 near Atlanta. Restore the first works when you look for models, don’t patch up a handed down traditional cart to hold God’s Holy presence, Build a new model with “Living Stones” of all flavors and sizes, some are hard as my head, some are soft as God’s heart, all are His, not ours. saltlightministry.com
The dead to sin does no work, we bury the flesh in the death of the messiah, we rise to walk in a new life of the kingdom forever, Romans 6, A transformation, no confidence in the flesh, Philippians 3:3, 20-21, Come to the table, leave dead altars behind.
Dec 4, 2020
We are called by the Gospel, I will follow the lead of the disciples in Acts 2 and obey the invitation if I believe the gospel message enough to act on the information. We have studied this argument from both Arminius, and Calvin. We choose to act on our belief and follow the model of the pagan Gentiles in Corinth Acts 18:8, accept the Grace gift and rise to walk in a new life. Why would someone wait for 1500 yrs to create a straw church on Calvins, Zwingli’s, or Luther or Wesley or any man’s opinion? No matter the good intent and the church they fought most with was rooted in evil kings. All they do is fight and kill one another, Calvin roasted other Christians that disagreed with his rule of the iron hand of state churches. Know the history and make the choice to buy cheap fire insurance in a sinners prayer or infant sprinkles, your soul is yours to save. Grace is free!Here is a good study by a greek scholar we trust. https://jackcottrell.com/?p=2676
Warning to watch for wolves.
in Acts, We see “disciples” making disciples. the humble servants (ministers) wash feet and care for the flock, Shepherds give their life for the sheep. In the “Church” The goats are the ignorant and apathetic “believers” that don’t care for others, don’t know what God really said, and could care less about the truth and Love of others. Matt 25:31-46. The other metaphor of “wheat & tares” ends the same way except for the origin of these believers is shown as the deceiver, father of lies. The “lukewarm” have a chance and it is not OSAS, that is what Jesus said, “Repent and do the “First Works” What are the first works? 1 John 3:23 Cheers!
You are what you eat. John 6:63, Jesus is Spirit and Truth, We Abide when we obey Acts 5:32, He washes us 1 John 5, Come to the Table leave the dead altars behind. The Table unites. Eph 4:1-10 Cheers!
https://www.biblestudytools.com/ephesians/1.html you can read here what could unify the “Congregation” out of the scattered tribes waving flags of division that are based on men’s traditions and fighting over control.
“Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, To God’s holy people in Ephesus, the faithful in Christ Jesus: Grace and peace to you from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.” Whoever they were they are sent a letter that gives evidence also in Revelations. Told to “Repent and do the First Works” Could those be teach the perfect law of liberty? Love one another, love your neighbor, every command Jesus repeated in the Sermon on the mount? Come to the Table leave dead Alters behind
Asked about abortion……..reading Ephesians 3, Faith comes by hearing, what about those that can’t?
What mystery gifts? Who is “Us”? I was adopted, another unborn baby was most likely done in the same day. Aborted or Adopted we had no choice in the matter. My opinion is God loved us both, we will “Abide” one day in the “Spirit and Truth” we trust God to provide a way to us both when we can’t have our own faith, can’t hear, can’t see, or not able to fully obey, that is Grace, not when we won’t obey or refuse to hear like some older reasoning people that refuse God. Romans 5: Jesus is our savior, paying all debts at the cross, ours, my unknown mom & father, all Adams, Eves, my unborn, daughter, son, sister, brother who does not know nothing but his mom’s heartbeat and God’s Voice as I did when God formed my life in the womb. Jer 1:5, Psalm 139:13, Will God redeem me from the world’s pig pens, wars and bloody murders as skybalon of the world clutters my journey on the Way? Who can save me wretched man I am? Theologians who were of good intent? Romans 7: gives the answer, one law and one Savior for one flock.
Pray to Him as a Father, as a child cries to Daddy, our Abba, “Everlasting Father” who adopted us in our filthy rags, called us to His Gospel, washed us in the Blood of His Lamb, and clothed us with his Rightness. 1 John 3:23, Acts 5:32 “Wonderful Counselor” Repent and do the first works of Iove Joy Peace. Come to the Table, leave dead altars behind. What if we did as the pagan Corinthians when they heard the message? Acts 18:8, “Homestyle” Church like Jesus loves to make and visit.
Eph 3 reads ” Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in the heavenly realms with every spiritual blessing in Christ. For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight. In love he predestined us for adoption to sonship through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will— to the praise of his glorious grace, which he has freely given us in the One he loves. In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, in accordance with the riches of God’s grace that he lavished on us. With all wisdom and understanding, he made known to us the mystery of his will according to his good pleasure, which he purposed in Christ, to be put into effect when the times reach their fulfillment—to bring unity to all things in heaven and on earth under Christ. In him we were also chosen, having been predestined according to the plan of him who works out everything in conformity with the purpose of his will, in order that we, who were the first to put our hope in Christ, might be for the praise of his glory. And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession—to the praise of his glory.” Eph 3 prayer of the Congregation in Ephesus.
We read this mystery, the very secrets of the Gospel” the secret sauce of Love Jesus style. How does one obtain this “power”
Not like Sion but money, those seeking office are especially warned of greed and the heart is examined.
For this reason, ever since I heard about your faith in the Lord Jesus and your love for all God’s people, I have not stopped giving thanks for you, remembering you in my prayers. I keep asking that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the glorious Father, may give you the Spirit of wisdom and revelation, so that you may know him better. I pray that the eyes of your heart may be enlightened in order that you may know the hope to which he has called you, the riches of his glorious inheritance in his holy people, and his incomparably great power for us who believe. That power is the same as the mighty strength he exerted when he raised Christ from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly realms, far above all rule and authority, power and dominion, and every name that is invoked, not only in the present age but also in the one to come. And God placed all things under his feet and appointed him to be head over everything for the church, which is his body, the fullness of him who fills everything in every way.
“In like manner, I can imagine a man believing some lies in religion, which, though they may injure him some, and I suppose there are very few that would not, might yet fall far short of proving fatal to him. I think that the doctrine of election as taught in the old creeds is false in the extreme; but I think that many a man has believed it all his life, and then gone to heaven when he died. What, then, is the distinction? It is to be traced out by remembering that there is only one thing that can keep men out of heaven, or keep them estranged from God in this life. That one thing is sin. Nothing else does or can stand between God and any man. If the belief of a lie, then, leads a man to commit sin, it will prove fatal unless that sin shall be forgiven. It was thus with the young prophet. The lie which he believed led him to disobey God. His disobedience was the immediate cause, while the belief of a lie was only the remote cause of his death.”
McGarvey’s perspective was probably the dominant one in the 19th century, ex
Election; “God Votes for you in Jesus, the devil votes agin’ you and you get the deciding vote” Old time gospel teacher.
“By “faith alone” I mean that faith is the only principle by which human receives the gift of salvation. The relationship of faith and baptism is the subject of another paper, though I would affirm that baptism is a means of grace through faith rather than a work that evidences sanctification or merely symbolic of salvation already received.” Cf. John Mark Hicks and Greg Taylor, Down in the River to Pray: Revisioning Baptism as God’s Transforming Work (Orange, CA: Leafwood Press, 2003).
But that watershed is a theory of election rooted in the “secret” will of God. If instead we affirm the redemptive-historical themes of election (divine initiation, exclusion of human boasting, grace) and call believers to perseverance in faith (trusting in Christ’s election and submitting to his Lordship), we have the theological common ground to build a mutually appreciative understanding between Calvinists and Arminians.
“Calvinism and Arminianism debate the problem of the hidden counsel of God. But our access to that hidden counsel is only through God’s historic revelation. We cannot approach God in his hiddenness, but only in his revelation. That revelation is Jesus Christ who is the Elect One. Calvinism and Arminianism both find their election in Christ through faith. There is no theologically significant practical difference between the two. “MEDIATING THE WAR BETWEEN ARMINIANS AND CALVINISTS ON ELECTION AND SECURITY: A STONE-CAMPBELL PERSPECTIVE John Mark Hicks,Professor of Theology,.Lipscomb University
“If a person is in the former group, he has still to heed the warning: only by so doing can he show that he is one of the elect. In other words, the Calvinist ‘believer’ cannot fall away from ‘true’ faith, but he can ‘fall away’ from what proves in the end to be only seeming faith. The possibility of falling away remains. But in neither case does the person know for certain whether he is a true or a seeming disciple. All that he knows is that Christ alone can save and that he must trust in Christ, and that he sees signs in his life which may give him some assurance that he is a true disciple. But these signs may be misleading.
“It comes down to a question of assurance. Whoever said, ‘The Calvinist knows that he cannot fall from salvation but does not know whether he has got it’, had it summed up nicely. But this can be counterfeit and misleading. The non-Calvinist knows that he has salvation—because he trusts in the promises of God—but is aware that, left to himself, he could lose it. So he holds to Christ. It seems to me the practical effect is the same.”
If we follow the lead of the pagan corinthians in the simple practices of the early church/ekklesia in the models they give us is enough information for the common man and woman to be saved and live the new life in Christ without the binder and hindrances of men who came along and assumed they could polish perfection with the tattered rags of man’s wisdom. Acts 18:8 they had problems and divisions over many of the same sins we have today, the cure is the same, love one another, share, care, don’t get drunk, or be a pig at the Lord’s table. Gal 5:14
This commentary written in the 1890s before Hal Lindsey or Hollywierd explained it all for us is very interesting. Goes in-depth to explain the rise of the Roman empire’s gathering the forces of evil to fight the Bride. The fact by fact relating world events before WW1, the fall of Empires, and the rise of US to world power to the Apokolaspe is a good read for any bible scholar or new follower to see how the Revelation of John was interpreted by Christians in the 1890s. written in the common language of the 1890 American for the people by a humble bible teacher. Our mentor, Jim Vernon gave us a copy of the complete People’s New Testament in 1974. https://webfiles.acu.edu/…/texts/bjohnson/vota/VOTA00A.HTMLikeComment
When the pagans were surprised that the “Christians” were growing they like Simon the magician jumped on board, the pagans that became “Christians” in name only to gain power in the kings’ court and favor kept their traditions, feasts, gods, and idols only to rename, rebrand them as patron saints and gods, and goddesses became what you see as religious art made into an idol. This happened over hundreds of years and can now be traced back thru history to exactly where did we or them go wrong. Our fav historian has done tremendous research into this and even written a very accurate book on the Council of Nicea. Exposing the Whore of Babylon while begging everyone to flee and follow King Jesus into the safety of the Kingdom. Note: we strive to unite, not divide, we point to the Truth, Job 6:24-25, https://www.christian-history.org/council-of-nicea.html
A good study that answered a lot of those questions and opens more questions to the light. The author is Hebrew and not afraid of teaching from known history, not added legends and teachings of men and thru a female Jewish lens of perspective. Cheers!
What mystery gifts? Who is “Us”? I was adopted, another unborn baby was aborted we had no choice in the matter. My opinion is God loved us both, we will “Abide” one day in the “Spirit and Truth” we trust God to provide a way to us both when we can’t have or own faith, can’t hear, can’t see, or not able to fully obey, that is Grace, not when we won’t. Romans 5: Jesus is our savior, paying all debts at the cross, ours, my unknown mom & father, all Adams, Eves, my unborn, daughter, son, , sister, brother who does not know nothing but his mom’s heartbeat and God’s Voice as I did when God formed my life in the womb. Will God redeem me from the world’s pig pens, wars and bloody murders as skybalon of the world clutters my journey on the Way as I decoursed the road blocks he placed to break my heart for Him when I went the wrong way?believe it or not? Who can save me wretched man I am? Theologians who were of good intent?Romans 7:give the answer, one law and one Savior for one flock.